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"or the fact that hook you up with a local dive partner should mean something."

If I could do marriages/christenings as well as teach scuba, then I might have got rich out of this :blinking:!
 
Not so great how many times has a diver come in picked my brains on a busy Saturday only to buy their gear online,

Why would you choose to exclusively sell a line that practices strict price controls and then be surprised when customers make their purchases from a less expensive grey market source?
 
Thanks for the words of suport folks, I guess I am just saying that not everyone is trying to rip off newbies, Awap I guess I expect people to be fair. I have nothing against folks buying online, I have a gentleman who came in and honestly told me he had a certain budget. I could come no where near what he wanted to spend. We went online found him some pretty good deals for what he wanted, he came back 2 weeks later and made some purchases becauses he wanted to say thanks. All I say is don't lie and be fair
 
The sad realitiy is, if you don't have a business model that will be profitable in todays scuba market, no amount of passion or hard work on you part is going to help much.
Very true. Good point.
but business is business and you need to adapt or fail.
So, how would you recommend that this LDS owner 'adapt'? It is easy to tell someone else 'adapt or fail'. But, what does that mean? What would you suggest that the OP do to adapt? Just curious.
 
abyss_scuba,

You sound like a nice guy trying to operate a diver friendly business. Good shops are vital to the future of local scuba diving. If we're not careful scuba outside of warm water will become an underground sport with the lone holdouts scrambling for air and other stuff that UPS doesn't do so well with. As a reference, here in the state of Maine where we have more coastline than California (the glaciers had fun) I can count the dive shops on my fingers. 3 are a family owned chain and at least 4 are diversified beyond scuba to make ends meet. This sport has a hole big enough to drive truck through for the entrepreneur that can develop a community of active divers and you sound like you are working in that direction, kudos.

I agree that dive shop owners are people too and you deserve as much respect as the next guy. I hold myself to a high standard not to use my LDS as a showroom for online buys. If I touch it or get meaningful input on the topic and they can sell it to me I don't think twice about paying a reasonable premium. I may ask some to match or come close but only because so are actually advertising that they will try to do so. I have been around retail and know that costs vary and that relationships have value, it works both ways. However these pricing threads are common here and the fact is, and it is a fact that there are a lot of selfish, tight fisted SOB's that see only the bottom line dollar price regardless of your assistance in facilitating the purchase. I can't change this and you sure as heck can't. If you can't get ahead of that train selling your value or pricing to complete then you may want to seek other gainful employment. You won;t win them all, I hope you win enough to make a go of it, we need your type.

Pete
 
My past experience as a manager in the retail market makes me wonder why many retailers are so slow to adapt to the changing business model. A lot of small business owners have not yet figured out how to compete against online sellers, and remain committed to a business model that will no longer work for them. All business must make a profit to survive, and the profitablity margin required for a brick and mortar shop to stay in business is reasonably consistent across a wide spectrum of business types. However, I have never understood why a retailer would rather lose a sale, even though it may be at a lower profit margin than desired, than match or come close to matching the online price. If the retailer works with the customer to keep the sale in the store, and works hard to develop a relationship, both the retailer and client would likely benefit. When the customer walks out the door without purchasing the item they want, the retailer's profit is exactly zero, not only on the item the customer wanted, but other items the client may elect to buy at point of purchase or in the future. The catch phrase "Get the money" in the "Jerry McGuire" movie should be every retailer's mantra. As a business owner, it is better to have the client's money in your pocket than in someone else's pocket.
 
...... Not so great how many times has a diver come in picked my brains on a busy Saturday only to buy their gear online, .....
Here an idea ... why don't you charge them a "consulting fee"?
Put in your shop a nice rate sheet for consulting fees ... with the notice that those will be waived if - and only if - they purchase gear from you.


...... no I don't get my gear for the same price a large online shop does ....
In your opinion what is the difference (%) between your purchasing prices and the ones from a "large online shop"?
I am asking this because we are coming out with new (very cool) hardware products and I want to have a pricing structure that does not penalize small shops.

At DEMA i was told that all retailers want "a stone" (50% GM), but the reality of large brick and mortar outdoor retailers is < 33% (You can check this yourself as some of those large B&M outdoor retailers are public companies).

Alberto (aka eDiver)
 
forums like these also spell doom for LDS. sorry to put it that way but now you can tap into the experience of thousands of divers not just one or two at a shop. wasn't that the exclusive domain of the dive shop before the advent of this and other diving forums? does that mean that online forums should go away? or that we are taking away form a local business by posting on this forum?

for example no one ever mentioned using a BP/W as a option at any LDS I ever visited yet here and other forums it's discussed in depth pros and cons. Is that the consumers fault for researching and then making buying decisions based on that research? At this point I have very little need for a LDS except for air fills and if it ends up I will have to pay more for them then so be it.

I don't have any answers for the local guy trying to make a living but I know that online buying just like online forums are not going away.
 
Altamira: selling at a lower price "to make a sale" does not always work for the small reatiler. If I sell too low yeah I may have made the sale but may not cover all the cost I need to, cost of goods, fixed cost, variable cost and oh yeah a few dollars to make a profit. There is a certain pooint where you just can't stay in business if you sell ay lower.

Dive Nav: this is actually related to what I said to Altamira. I have seen things at the big online stores that pretty much are just about what I pay wholesale for the same product. How can you say no to the big boys when they want 1000 at a time and I can only order 3 or 4? Not blaming the customer for wanting the lowest cost or the manufacterer for want to sell the most numbers.

---------- Post added November 24th, 2012 at 12:48 AM ----------

Bumanok I am aware that online forums and shopping are not going away and I have no problem with either. My job as a reatiler is to look at you and help you make the best decision, I'll ive you an example. Most manufateers are moving to strchier wetsuit material. I know from experience that with the wetsuits I sell most people should move dwn one size from what the manufaterer has printed on their size chart (which were made using the older materials) or that the top of the line regulator is only cosmeticly differet from the next lower one which cost less. BTW I think it is stupid not to sell bp/w setups. As a business I want to sell you bp/w and everything else I can as a fellow diver I want you to have the best gear for your type of diving.
 
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