SDI Nitrox vs TDI Nitrox

[NAM001]

That is probably because you may be taking the statement too personally. Padi is formost a recreational diving organization. If i had to guess 90% or better of students do not proceed beyond AOW. As such they teach to that market. Take IANTD on the other hand and they teach to a targeted group that will most likely move onto technical levels of diving. Do both teach OW and tech level courses. Sure .... Padi's heart is in rec dive training. And Iantd is in the tech world. You would have to agree that padi does not do much globally beyond master diver and nitrox. I can randomly pick a dozen padi instructors and one of the bunch can teach beyond the basic recreational courses. Not so with many other agencies as they are rooted in more advanced diving.

I have no idea where your $$$$$ comes from. My comments were directed in that nitrox is a popular course in any agency and that padi is not going to pass up the opportunity to teach a course that is a money maker. They teach the class as if it is the last class a diver will ever take. Other agencies Will teach nitrox as if it is the start of a training pipeline. For many agencies nitrox is to them as OW is to padi.

This is pretty much absurd.

As someone who is certified to teach technical diving courses for PADI through trimix, I have no idea where you get the idea that PADI has no interest in making technical divers out of anyone. If have no such interest, why do they offer technical classes?

As for your ($$$$$) implication, are you telling me that instructors for other agencies are not paid for the classes they teach? I teach for TDI as well, and it may shock you to learn that I am just as interested in getting paid when I teach a TDI class as when I teach a PADI class.

 

[Jax]

I have a big head and we'll just say I was a big reason why this article was written! Haha no but really, cool article. It really does shed a little light to a new diver.

Well? Well? What did you do; who did you take it with?

 

[Bubble_blower87]

Well? Well? What did you do; who did you take it with?

Jax I will be taking the TDI class with airhogs scuba out of garner nc. I am a electronics engineer technician so math is fun for me. I like a challenge so I figured it would be a good start with TDI. I won't be taking it until after Christmas though, i am a big spender on friends and family. Ill do something for myself after.

 

[Centrals]

As someone who is certified to teach technical diving courses for PADI through trimix, I have no idea where you get the idea that PADI has no interest in making technical divers out of anyone. If have no such interest, why do they offer technical classes?

PADI was totally against the idea of technical diving in the beginning(late 90's).

 

[boulderjohn]

PADI was totally against the idea of technical diving in the beginning(late 90's).

And you can tell this because...?

They did do their technical instruction then through a subsidiary organization, DSAT, then. Does teaching through a subsidiary mean you are totally against it?

 

[Centrals]

And you can tell this because...?

They did do their technical instruction then through a subsidiary organization, DSAT, then. Does teaching through a subsidiary mean you are totally against it?

When I started my tec training back in 1998, DSAT was NOT an option.
Do you know what PADI said on the topic as late as 1999.
Do you know when DSAT made its first maiden appearance in tec dive?
I really wish I had kept all those publications instead of giving/throwing them away. Looking back there are some gems in them. Pity.

BTW, there is nothing wrong to change ones approach in anything. All agencies are in for the money, make no mistake.

 

[boulderjohn]

That is probably because you may be taking the statement too personally. Padi is formost a recreational diving organization. If i had to guess 90% or better of students do not proceed beyond AOW. As such they teach to that market. Take IANTD on the other hand and they teach to a targeted group that will most likely move onto technical levels of diving. Do both teach OW and tech level courses. Sure .... Padi's heart is in rec dive training. And Iantd is in the tech world. You would have to agree that padi does not do much globally beyond master diver and nitrox. I can randomly pick a dozen padi instructors and one of the bunch can teach beyond the basic recreational courses. Not so with many other agencies as they are rooted in more advanced diving.

PADI is indeed primarily a recreational agency, and only a small percentage of its divers go on to take technical diving courses. That is true of ALL agencies of that sort--including SDI, NAUI, SSI, etc. Of course IANTD is more focused on tech--it was founded as a technical diving agency--that's what the "T" in its name means. It teaches very, very few recreational students. I have never met one.

Just about all recreational agencies offer technical training. With SDI, their technical branch is named TDI. Other agencies, including PADI, they keep the same name. How is it different from any other agency?

I have no idea where your $$$$$ comes from. My comments were directed in that nitrox is a popular course in any agency and that padi is not going to pass up the opportunity to teach a course that is a money maker. They teach the class as if it is the last class a diver will ever take. Other agencies Will teach nitrox as if it is the start of a training pipeline. For many agencies nitrox is to them as OW is to padi.

Again, how is it different from any other agency? You are making a big deal about the fact that PADI is offering recreational nitrox classes and its instructors (horrors!) are actually charging students when they take the class. Can you name one scuba agency that does not teach recreational nitrox? Can you name one agency whose instructors do not charge for their services?

 

[NAM001]

You are wrong John, and you shouldn't try twisting my words. Padi is primarily a rec organization with its tech interests as a side. You seem to agree with that. If there were no money of any real amount padi would not teach nitrox. Because nitrox is a money maker padi teaches it. Like wise as you agree organizations like iantd tdi ect are more tech diving based and focus their curriculum on ultimate tech diving even in the rec classes they teach. those agencies teach ow and aow as a basis for tech diving training support . Padi teaches ow and aow as a basis for other rec diving courses. When it comes to nitrox padi and iantd or tdi ect have different approachs to the methods and goals for teaching the course. As to the instructors (horrors!) are actually charging students when they take the class,,, i have no clue where you got that from. No i cant name an organizatoin that does not teach nitrox. It is the reason why they teach and the curriculum that supports those reasons it that makes them different. Padi teaches it as an end of training pipeline class. Other agencies teach it as a fundimental class to build on with follow up training. In addition tdi and sdi are the same company each one with a different emphasis on their training classes. My comments were not for the purpose of bashing. It was for the purpose of deliniating motive. Padi has no general intrest in tech diving, they are primarily a rec diving agency. outside of the primary classes they have no intrest in teaching classes that do not support the 90% demographic but do so because they are high demand classes like nitrox, that bring revenue. Padi's 90% demographic is not the same as more technical agencies 90% demographic. In short nitrox is an easy money class and padi cashes in on it. AS THEY SHOULD.

PADI is indeed primarily a recreational agency, and only a small percentage of its divers go on to take technical diving courses. That is true of ALL agencies of that sort--including SDI, NAUI, SSI, etc. Of course IANTD is more focused on tech--it was founded as a technical diving agency--that's what the "T" in its name means. It teaches very, very few recreational students. I have never met one.

Just about all recreational agencies offer technical training. With SDI, their technical branch is named TDI. Other agencies, including PADI, they keep the same name. How is it different from any other agency?


Again, how is it different from any other agency? You are making a big deal about the fact that PADI is offering recreational nitrox classes and its instructors (horrors!) are actually charging students when they take the class. Can you name one scuba agency that does not teach recreational nitrox? Can you name one agency whose instructors do not charge for their services?

 

[tursiops]

You are wrong john, and you shouldnt try twisting my words. Padi is primarily a rec organization with its tech intrests as a side. You seem to agree with that. If there were no money of any real amount padi would not teach nitrox. Because nitrox is a money maker ppadi teaches it. Like wise as you agree organizations like iantd tdi ect are more tech diving based and focus their curriculum on ultimate tech diving even in the rec classes they teach. those agencies teach ow ans aow as a basis for tech diving . Padi teaches ow and aow as a basis for other rec diving courses. When it comes to nitros padi and iantd or tdi ect have different approachs to the methods and coals for teaching the course. As to the instructors (horrors!) are actually charging students when they take the class,,, i have no clue where you got that from. No i cant name an organizatoin that does not teach nitrox. It is the reason why they teach it that makes them different. Padi teaches it as an end of training pipeline class. Other agencies teach it as a fundimental class to build on with follow up training. Inb addition tdi and sdi are the same company each one with a different emphasis on their training classes. My fcomments wer not for the purpose of bashing. It was for the purpose of deliniating motive. Padi has no general intrest in tech diving, they are primarily a rec diving agency. outside of the primary classes they have no intrest in teaching classes that do not support the 90% demographic but do so because they are high demand classes like nitrox, that bring revenue. Padi's 90% demographic is not the same as more technical agencies 90% demographic. In short nitrosx is an easy money class and padi cashes in on it. AS THEY SHOULD.

You are trying too hard to make your point. SDI and TDI are one company - International Training. The SDI nitrox class led the way in the industry for dumbing down nitrox and is no way a precursor to tech training. PADI followed.

 

[NAM001]

I never said tdi adn sdi were different companies. I have through out agrees with sdi being on the sport side of things and tdi being on the tech side.

You are trying too hard to make your point. SDI and TDI are one company - International Training. The SDI nitrox class led the way in the industry for dumbing down nitrox and is no way a precursor to tech training. PADI followed.