Instructors who yell for no reason

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If you yell at me you will get neither my respect nor my money. I don't care how much knowledge you have, I can find a knowledgeable instructor who is also respectful.

On the other hand, some people like to be belittled, so it's good to have all types of personalities instructing.
 
On the other hand, some people like to be belittled ...

Please introduce me to one, because that will be a first for me. Some people tolerate it better than others. Some simply don't know how to get themselves out of harm's way or have been taught not to. Some expect it because they've had so much of it.

But I've never spoken to anyone who likes it.
 
Please introduce me to one, because that will be a first for me. Some people tolerate it better than others. Some simply don't know how to get themselves out of harm's way or have been taught not to. Some expect it because they've had so much of it.

But I've never spoken to anyone who likes it.
See: masochist
 
See: masochist
That would explain all the rubber suits I guess. Some things are becoming far too clear to me.
 
We should not try to compare the yelling and berating of "students" by military drill instructors, or their equivalents, to techniques better used by instructors in other environments. Military basic training instructors have a unique responsibility and initial objective. Their primary start point is to break down the individual's sense of self and selfishness, and replace those sentiments with selflessness, being a reliable team member, and immediate compliance with lawful orders. In today's "me" environment, this is no small or easy task. As this needed indoctrination progresses, and the the individual becomes part of a cohesive, co-reliant team, yelling and berating generally becomes less frequent, as peer pressure comes to the forefront. From my perspective of being a former military instructor in a variety of aircraft (a post-initial military training environment), yelling is only necessary and effective to immediately stop or start an action for safety or tactical reasons.
 
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The people I know who reported being yelled at were indeed yelled at. The instructor in question apparently has a reputation for such, which was confirmed by others.

Again, there is a huge difference between an instructor chewing out someone for doing something dangerous and quite another thing when a student is slow at "getting" something. Pete and Diving Dubai seem to be the only ones who really get it.

Perhaps it is partially a gender thing, but I also know of a number of men who don't learn well when being yelled at indiscriminately.
 
I get it.

The owner of my LDS didn't even yell at me but I interpreted his and a few of his instructor's attitudes as condescending. I understand that I'm ignorant about diving but I'm not ignorant in general and deserve respect. I certainly gave it.

My friend who encouraged me to train there and join their dive club has been a member for 15 years. I cancelled a scheduled certification class and took my business to another shop. It's an extra 15 minute drive but I happily do it. Like the new shop much more.

Advice to previous shop owner: don't disrespect customers who drop several thousand $ and show no signs of stopping...
 
We should not try to compare the yelling and berating of "students" by military drill instructors, or their equivalents, to techniques better used by instructors in other environments. Military basic training instructors have a unique responsibility and initial objective. Their primary start point is to break down the individual's sense of self and selfishness, and replace those sentiments with selflessness, being a reliable team member, and immediate compliance with lawful orders. In today's "me" environment, this is no small or easy task. As this needed indoctrination progresses, and the the individual becomes part of a cohesive, co-reliant team, yelling and berating generally becomes less frequent, as peer pressure comes to the forefront. From my perspective of being a former military instructor in a variety of aircraft (a post-initial military training environment), yelling is only necessary and effective to immediately stop or start an action for safety or tactical reasons.
Absolutely. My brother went through that at Annapolis 40 years ago and is a semi-retired US Navy Captain. Quite a few in those classes don't have what it takes to get through "Plebe Summer" or even first year. Not for civilians like me.
 
Another reason it's not a fair comparison to bring up military training is that, psychological goals aside, people who go through military training know when they sign up that it's going to be that way. I'm pretty sure that's not what the average dive student is expecting.
 
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