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Worst instructor ever, please help.

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba' started by stropwen, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. stropwen

    stropwen Registered

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    Location: New port richey florida
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    I agree your completely right, I just want to inform NAUI first before I publicly tell everyone who he Is as Im sure someone on here knows him (possibly even you since you live near me)
     
  2. DandyDon

    DandyDon Old men ought to be explorers ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: One kilometer high on the Texas Central Plains
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    Unreal. No class, no pool time, only one dive? No way.

    You need a complete course, not a refresher. Hope you get your money back. Glad you survived.
     
  3. jar546

    jar546 Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: I'm a Fish!
    Location: South Florida
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    Since the OP edited his initial post and now I, nor anyone else has any idea what he actually posted, there is no way to comment.
     
  4. yodelhawk

    yodelhawk Contributor

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    Location: Great Falls, Montana
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    Ummmmmmm??? Ya??? What happend?
     
  5. counterpoint

    counterpoint Registered

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    Location: bay area, California
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    Whats that about. Hum.
     
  6. koozemani

    koozemani Contributor

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    Location: Tucson, AZ
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    Hmmm. Glad I got to read it before it vanished. Again I say hmmmm...

    Maybe the inst. in question is on the board and contacted the op.

    I declare shenanigans!
     
  7. g1138

    g1138 Marine Scientist

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Charleston, SC
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    Click the link for NAUI contact info regarding quality assurance.
    You can call, email, or send a signed letter. Your choice.

    NAUI Quality Assurance

    If you want to delete your post in the future, click the Report Post button on your original post and type a message in for the mods to see.
    I think this would better serve to help others though rather than being edited or deleted. Even as an old post, others may come across this thread years later if they themselves have had a bad instructor.
    Hope you stay with us as there's plenty to learn from this board. Feel free to ask any questions you want in the future, however simple or complex they may be. You can search for many threads/old questions easier (I find) if you google site:scubaboard keyword replacing keyword with your question.

    Since I still remember your original post well, I will say that with your case redoing the Basic OW course is especially important because IMO you didn't complete the necessary training nor learn the required techniques to be a safe diver. There's no way I believe you satisfied the minimum standards to be a certified NAUI OW diver; that of which btw, most NAUI instructors set their students to exceed rather than meet.
    You can take a refresher course, but I believe you won't be able to cover everything in one 4 hour pool session.
     
  8. Quero

    Quero Will be missed Rest in Peace ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: Phuket, Thailand
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    Stropwen, since for whatever reason you needed to remove your post, it makes it hard for us to help you. But because you've answered my question about whether this was a try dive or discovery dive by saying you were enrolled in a full certification course, that raises other questions. So I've tried to recall what you told us so that I can ask those questions. What I remember is something like this (please correct me if I've misunderstood). My questions are in blue following the various items.

    • There were 15 students and one instructor in the class.
    Was the instructor using any assistants, DMs, for example? The reason I ask is because when we have large groups, we can increase the ratios by adding assistants to help us keep track of everybody and ensure safety.

    • Your class was delayed 3 hours and you waited outdoors in the rain during this time.
    Was the entire class waiting? Did you perhaps misunderstand the time you were to meet? Or did the time change and maybe you weren't informed? Is it possible there was some kind of misunderstanding?

    • You geared up, but apparently did not put on a weight belt.
    Did you not do a pre-dive safety check with a buddy as is your responsibility? Didn't the instructor ask why you didn't have a weight belt on?

    • You entered the water and because the instructor did not demonstrate the method for descending, you had difficulty.
    IIRC you said you spent ten minutes trying to get down. This seems like an awfully long time. Surely somebody would surface to help you when you were taking so long. Could you see the group below you waiting for you? What were they doing all this time?

    • When you finally managed to descend, you said you sank like a rock, but you could not stay submerged.
    If you actually did sink like a rock, that means you had enough weight despite not wearing a weight belt and didn't really need any extra weight in order to stay down. Generally speaking, these kind of "float up to the surface" ascents happen when students are stressed and hold too much air in their lungs. Were you feeling stressed?

    • Eventually the instructor followed you to the surface and told you to stay on the bottom.
    Who stayed underwater to care for the safety of the remaining students?

    • The instructor descended back to the group waiting at the bottom and left you alone at the surface.
    Was there somebody on the shore watching you to make sure you weren't in trouble on the surface?

    • You exited the water alone to retrieve a weight belt, you put it on, and then you re-entered the water to descend.
    How did you know how much weight to put on the belt? Had you simply forgotten to put it on, or did you think you didn't need any weight initially?

    • You completed a total of only four skill demonstrations (weight removal/replacement; alternate air source use; regulator recovery and clearing; mask flooding and clearing).
    Did the other students complete other skills while you were stuck on the surface, swimming back to shore and finally getting down to the bottom?

    • The maximum depth of the dive was 40 ft.
    This is the typical depth for a first dive of a series of Open Water dives. How was the dive conducted? Did everybody just mill around or did you follow a route or do a circle or go see some artefact and swim back or what? Were you assigned buddy pairs? Who was leading the dive?

    • There were no pool or confined water practice sessions prior to this dive.
    This is just amazing. I hardly know where to start with this comment. Did you miss class sessions by any chance?

    • At the conclusion of a single open water dive, the instructor indicated that he would issue your certification.
    This is also amazing. Are you certain that he wasn't simply going to LOG the dive? Are there no other dives scheduled for this course?
     
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  9. MaxBottomtime

    MaxBottomtime Divemaster

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Torrance, CA
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    In your first post on SB you wrote
    So did you end up skipping the pool dives? You also mentioned that you left your class while the instructor was going over the test results with the other students. Could it be that you simply missed the pool sessions as well?
     
  10. SnorkelLA

    SnorkelLA DIR Practitioner

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: The Water
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    There just seems to be too much exaggeration going on. And from the way he types, and his "It was THAT BAD" standpoint, I'd also say he might be a little young. I wouldn't pay attention to it unless he can give us solid, unbiased information. From the sounds of it, he didn't listen to a schedule, or pay much attention. But these are only my opinions after reading what was put here. I don't know, maybe there's a trueness to it. But there's no way to tell unless he brings back his original post.
     

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